I just went to the letterboxing web page and tried to register my two cents
with the poll. Uh, is it just me...and that is more than a little
likely....or has accessibility to the talk list archive, polls, calendar,
etc changed? Do I have to resubscribe, register or what?? Anyway, when I do
get to the poll I'm putting myself down for 5 patches, pins, stickers,
decals, cars, hats or whatever it is we decide. Robin

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@egroups.com
To: letterbox-usa@egroups.com
Date: Friday, April 07, 2000 12:36 PM
Subject: [LbNA] New poll for letterbox-usa


>
>Enter your vote today! Check out the new poll for the letterbox-usa
>group:
>
>
>How many patches, regardless of design,
>can you COMMIT to buying assuming the
>cost per patch will be $5 or less?
>
> o None, right now
> o 1
> o 2
> o 3
> o 4
> o 5
> o 6
> o 7
> o 8
> o 9
> o 10
> o 11
> o 12
> o 13
> o 14
> o 15
> o 16
> o 17
> o 18
> o 19
> o 20
> o 21
> o 22
> o 23
> o 24 or more
>
>
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>
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>
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Robin, I think the problem lies in the fact that egroups and OneList
recently merged. I belong to several egroups, and about a week ago, when I
went to the "my groups" page (which I had bookmarked), I had to
re-register, sending them my email address and a new password. Seconds
later they emailed me a new authorization, and then I was able to get back
into the pages for my groups.

So, you may need to re-register, but it only takes a minute.
Bonnie

At 10:35 PM 04/07/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>I just went to the letterboxing web page and tried to register my two cents
>with the poll. Uh, is it just me...and that is more than a little
>likely....or has accessibility to the talk list archive, polls, calendar,
>etc changed? Do I have to resubscribe, register or what?? Anyway, when I do
>get to the poll I'm putting myself down for 5 patches, pins, stickers,
>decals, cars, hats or whatever it is we decide. Robin
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: letterbox-usa@egroups.com
>To: letterbox-usa@egroups.com
>Date: Friday, April 07, 2000 12:36 PM
>Subject: [LbNA] New poll for letterbox-usa
>
>
>>
>>Enter your vote today! Check out the new poll for the letterbox-usa
>>group:
>>
>>
>>How many patches, regardless of design,
>>can you COMMIT to buying assuming the
>>cost per patch will be $5 or less?
>>
>> o None, right now
>> o 1
>> o 2
>> o 3
>> o 4
>> o 5
>> o 6
>> o 7
>> o 8
>> o 9
>> o 10
>> o 11
>> o 12
>> o 13
>> o 14
>> o 15
>> o 16
>> o 17
>> o 18
>> o 19
>> o 20
>> o 21
>> o 22
>> o 23
>> o 24 or more
>>
>>
>>To vote, please visit the following web page:
>>
>>http://www.egroups.com/polls/letterbox-usa
>>
>>Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
>>not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the eGroups
>>web site listed above.
>>
>>Thanks!
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How many people would be interested in
attending a late fall event in Tolland
County ,Ct.Vote for each person in your
family who would attend.

o Nov. 1-15
o Nov.15-30


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I think the definition of a pace
is/should be:


o The single footfall of each foot (ie, a step)
o The single footfall of a particular foot (ie, two steps)


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PATCHES & DECALS: Would you be
interested in purchasing at least one
LbNA patch?

o Yes - one patch only
o Yes - more than one patch


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is there an interest in the P# & F# or
even the X# merit badges?

o P10 ?
o P25 ?
o P50 ?
o P100?
o F10?
o F25 ?
o F50?
o F100?
o X10?
o X25?
o other?


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How many decals would you commit to buy
@ $4.00 each? We are trying to reach a
total of at least 25.

o one
o two
o three
o four
o five
o six
o seven
o eight
o nine
o ten
o more than ten


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Hi Folks!

I know I'm not supposed to reply to the note talking about the poll, but the
e-groups polling gives me a big Oops! like I'm not set up yet or something,
so I cannot vote that way. Count me in for 5 patches. Maybe more later,
but so far, I know I will be ordering that many.

Best regards,

Amanda Briles
aka The Paisley Orca

> I know I'm not supposed to reply to the note talking about the poll, but the
> e-groups polling gives me a big Oops! like I'm not set up yet or something,
> so I cannot vote that way.

You need to have an account with e-groups, and/or have cookies enabled
to vote in polls.

Cheers,
--
randy "the mapsurfer" (P31F117)
mapsurfer letterboxes: http://www.mapsurfer.com/boxes/

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How many P# Merit Badges are you
interested in? and what denomination?

o 1 P10
o 2 P10
o 3 P10
o 4 P10
o 5 or more P10
o 1 P25
o 2 P25
o 3 P25
o 4 P25
o 5 or more P25
o 1 P50
o 2 P50
o 3 P50
o 4 P50
o 5 or more P50
o 1 P75
o 2 P75
o 3 P75
o 4 P75
o 5 or more P75
o 1 P100
o 2 P100
o 3 P100
o 5 or more P100
o Just double my order !!!!


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How many #F merit badges are you
intersted in? and what denominations?

o 1 F10
o 2 F10
o 3 F10
o 4 F10
o 5 or more F10
o 1 F25
o 2 F25
o 3 F25
o 4 F25
o 5 or more F25
o 1 F50
o 2 F50
o 3 F50
o 4 F50
o 5 or more F50
o 1 F75
o 2 F75
o 3 F75
o 4 F75
o 5 or more F75
o 1 F100
o 2 F100
o 3 F100
o 5 or more F100
o just double my order !!!


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X Merit Badges. (x stands for stamps
exchanged with other letterboxers)

o 1 X10
o 2 X10
o 3 or more X10
o 1 X 25
o 2 X25
o 3 or more X25
o 1 X50
o 2 X50
o 3 or more X50
o 1 X75
o 2 X75
o 3 or more X 75
o 1 X 100
o 2 X100
o 3 or more X100
o just double my order !!!


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

To Mid-atlantic letterboxers...and all,
let us know if you'd be able to attend
a get-together day of lbxing, xchng,
and socializing by choosing one of the
dates and indicating whether you'd
prefer it be held on Sat. or Sun. The
location (TBD) would most likely be a
park in the Northern Va area.

o April 28-29, 2001
o MAY 19-20, 2001
o Prefer Saturday
o Prefer Sunday


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Would you be interested in having a
LbNA logo medallion which could be
applied to a hiking staff - walking
stick?

o Yes
o No


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

What weekend would you like to see the
southern New England gathering held in
RI (pick 2)? On Aug 5 the poll will
close and a new poll will be conducted
with the top 2 (or 3) candidates, if
necessary. In addition, vote for your
choice of a Saturday or Sunday for the
event.
Any questions contact
trishkri@yahoo.com.

o Sep 8 -9
o Sep 15 - 16
o Sep 22 - 23
o Sep 29 - 30
o Oct 6 - 8
o Oct 13 -14
o Saturday
o Sunday


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Enter your choice for a weekend to hole
the southern NE gathering in RI (pick
2). On Aug 5 the poll will close and a
new one will be opened with the top 2
or 3 candidates. In addition, indicate
your choice for Saturday or Sunday for
the event.

o Sep 8 -9
o Sep 15 - 16
o Sep 22 - 23
o Sep 29 - 30
o Oct 6 - 8
o Oct 13 -14


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Vote for a final date for the fall
southern NE gathering in RI. It will
be on a Saturday, with a hurricane rain
date (it is the season) of Sunday. The
dates were selected from the final top
two days voted in the previous poll.

o Saturday, Sep 15
o Saturday, Oct 6


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I won't be making he trip from the State of Washington by my vote is for
sale..........



----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 6:42 AM
Subject: [LbNA] New poll for letterbox-usa


>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> letterbox-usa group:
>
> Vote for a final date for the fall
> southern NE gathering in RI. It will
> be on a Saturday, with a hurricane rain
> date (it is the season) of Sunday. The
> dates were selected from the final top
> two days voted in the previous poll.
>
> o Saturday, Sep 15
> o Saturday, Oct 6
>
>
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>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox-usa/polls
>
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>
>
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>
>
>
>

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Please select your preferred date for
the Connecticut/Southern New England LB
Gathering, for next spring.

o May 4, 2002
o May 11, 2002


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Seems obvious to me

"May the fourth be with you !"



Moorland Wizard

letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
>Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
>letterbox-usa group:
>
>Please select your preferred date for
>the Connecticut/Southern New England LB
>Gathering, for next spring.
>
> o May 4, 2002
> o May 11, 2002
>
>
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>
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--- In letterbox-usa@y..., Graham Howard wrote:
>
> Seems obvious to me
>
> "May the fourth be with you !"
>
>
>
> Moorland Wizard

GROAN!!!!!!!!!!

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Sorry folks -- for some reason I
have a very keen interest in this
HH question, despite the fact that
I've never found one nor created
one. Flames off-list please :-)


o I think the comings and goings of HHs should be posted to the list
o I think the comings and goings of HHs should be cloaked in secrecy
o I don't care, but care enough to take the time to vote
o I care, but don't care enough to take the time to vote
o I like cheese, but hate the DH rule


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No place for those who feel the finding of a HH should be posted when and
where found and nothing else.

How can we vote when the correct answer isn't even there?


Glenn





----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 1:10 PM
Subject: [LbNA] New poll for letterbox-usa


>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> letterbox-usa group:
>
> Sorry folks -- for some reason I
> have a very keen interest in this
> HH question, despite the fact that
> I've never found one nor created
> one. Flames off-list please :-)
>
>
> o I think the comings and goings of HHs should be posted to the list
> o I think the comings and goings of HHs should be cloaked in secrecy
> o I don't care, but care enough to take the time to vote
> o I care, but don't care enough to take the time to vote
> o I like cheese, but hate the DH rule
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox-usa/polls
>
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> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
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> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Glenn,

Since "its only a hobby", we'll survive this disasterous poll.
Doncha think?

Black Rook

-------- Original Message --------
From: "Glenn"
Subject: Re: [LbNA] New poll for letterbox-usa
To:

No place for those who feel the finding of a HH should be posted when and
where found and nothing else.

How can we vote when the correct answer isn't even there?


Glenn


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Well, I agree with you, but I voted for the one that was most nearly
correct. See, it's like one of those multiple-choice tests that they
used to give you when you were a kid in school ... none of the
answers were exactly right, but you were supposed to choose the one
that was "best" ...

--- In letterbox-usa@y..., "Glenn" wrote:
> No place for those who feel the finding of a HH should be posted
when and
> where found and nothing else.
>
> How can we vote when the correct answer isn't even there?
>
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 1:10 PM
> Subject: [LbNA] New poll for letterbox-usa
>
>
> >
> > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> > letterbox-usa group:
> >
> > Sorry folks -- for some reason I
> > have a very keen interest in this
> > HH question, despite the fact that
> > I've never found one nor created
> > one. Flames off-list please :-)
> >
> >
> > o I think the comings and goings of HHs should be posted to
the list
> > o I think the comings and goings of HHs should be cloaked in
secrecy
> > o I don't care, but care enough to take the time to vote
> > o I care, but don't care enough to take the time to vote
> > o I like cheese, but hate the DH rule
> >
> >
> > To vote, please visit the following web page:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox-usa/polls
> >
> > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo!
Groups
> > web site listed above.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Before the Slipstickfish box was
posted, had you ever used or had an
interest in the slipstick?

o I remember them, what a pain!
o I did not know what a slipstick was.
o I still have a slipstick and can use it.


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

How often do you check on the majority
of your own letterboxes if no one tells
you there is any problem?

o 6 times a year or more.
o 3 times a year or more.
o 1 or 2 times a year.
o less than 1 time a year
o Don't check


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

What kind of log books have you used in the boxes you've
placed? What kind do you most like to see in the boxes you
find?


o spiral notebook
o blank journal
o index cards
o home-made booklet
o other


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It seems that your poll will have little merit since you ask two different
questions. Which question are we to answer, the first or the second? In my
case the answer is the same for both, but I'm not sure that will always be
the case. Good luck.


From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] New poll for letterbox-usa
Date: 24 Jun 2002 17:33:30 -0000


Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

What kind of log books have you used in the boxes you've
placed? What kind do you most like to see in the boxes you
find?


o spiral notebook
o blank journal
o index cards
o home-made booklet
o other


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Well, its not really much of a scientific poll, anyway. Its too bad the polls don't allow room for a
"comments" field. I'm curious as to why someone would answer differently to these two questions,
and if there are other options for logbooks anyone has thought of.

Personally, I've never understood the appeal of the index cards as a log book - they don't seem like
much of a "book" to me. I guess they are inexpensive, and not much of a loss in case the box is
vandalized. But I was interested to see what sort of logbook everyone else preferred.

Matt

--- In letterbox-usa@y..., "ken knight" wrote:
> It seems that your poll will have little merit since you ask two different
> questions. Which question are we to answer, the first or the second? In my
> case the answer is the same for both, but I'm not sure that will always be
> the case. Good luck.
>
>
> From: letterbox-usa@y...
> Reply-To: letterbox-usa@y...
> To: letterbox-usa@y...
> Subject: [LbNA] New poll for letterbox-usa
> Date: 24 Jun 2002 17:33:30 -0000
>
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> letterbox-usa group:
>
> What kind of log books have you used in the boxes you've
> placed? What kind do you most like to see in the boxes you
> find?
>
>

Index cards... Cheap, Easy, Durable.

However, I am just now switching to small 'Artist Sketch Pads'.
That wasnt an option on the poll, so I checked 'other'.

~ M ~
http://pub8.ezboard.com/bmischiefsletterboxes

=================================
From: "ratpatrolhq"
Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: New poll for letterbox-usa
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:47:56 -0000

Well, its not really much of a scientific poll, anyway. Its too bad the
polls don't allow room for a
"comments" field. I'm curious as to why someone would answer differently to
these two questions,
and if there are other options for logbooks anyone has thought of.

Personally, I've never understood the appeal of the index cards as a log
book - they don't seem like
much of a "book" to me. I guess they are inexpensive, and not much of a loss
in case the box is
vandalized. But I was interested to see what sort of logbook everyone else
preferred.

Matt

--- In letterbox-usa@y..., "ken knight" wrote:
> It seems that your poll will have little merit since you ask two
different
> questions. Which question are we to answer, the first or the second? In
my
> case the answer is the same for both, but I'm not sure that will always
be
> the case. Good luck.
>
>
> From: letterbox-usa@y...
> Reply-To: letterbox-usa@y...
> To: letterbox-usa@y...
> Subject: [LbNA] New poll for letterbox-usa
> Date: 24 Jun 2002 17:33:30 -0000
>
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> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> letterbox-usa group:
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> What kind of log books have you used in the boxes you've
> placed? What kind do you most like to see in the boxes you
> find?
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Should the initiator (and all of his
aliases) of message 14484 (Newbies make
me want to vomit!) be banned?

o yes
o no


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Should the list settings be changed to
moderate the first post from a new
subscriber?

(pros: mitigate a certain class of
low-volume spam, hotmail creators,
"vomit posters"; cons: more work, more
"members only vibe", moderator has to
judge whether something is a joke or
game-related content)

o yes
o no


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yes

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:25 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] New poll for letterbox-usa



Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Should the list settings be changed to
moderate the first post from a new
subscriber?

(pros: mitigate a certain class of
low-volume spam, hotmail creators,
"vomit posters"; cons: more work, more
"members only vibe", moderator has to
judge whether something is a joke or
game-related content)

o yes
o no


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Prose or Poetry? What is your
preference, clues in prose or clues
written in rhyme?

o Straight forward directions in prose preferred
o Straight forward directions in prose that require use compass orienteering preferred
o Somewhat obscured prose clues preferred
o Puzzle prose clues preferred
o Poetry preferred if the clues are still straight forward preferred
o Poetry clues that are straight forward and require use compass orienteering preferred
o Poetry clues that are somewhat obscurred preferred
o Puzzle poetry clues preferred
o I don't care so long as it is easy to find the box
o I don't care so long as there is a little mystery
o I don't care so long as the clues provide a true puzzle challenge
o Variety is the spice of my life
o Any clue is better than a poll


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Letterboxing and geocaching share some
similarities and some people combine the
two into one box. Based on my
experience, I would

o always combine the two if I can
o never combine the two I can
o only combine them in well-traveled places
o only combine them in seldom-travelled places
o only combine them in very remote places


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What are you really asking here? Are you using the poll to decide on
how you will go about trying to combine both sports?

If so, then in my opinion the best method is to just plant some boxes
that are letterboxes and some that are hybrids. And wait and see what
happens.

I planted one box that was a hybrid, and was very surprise to find
some Geocachers who had stamped in with really awesome stamps. These
people have never posted or planted a letterbox in the S.F. Bay Area
that I know of.

As to stamps being removed, it even happens to letterboxes.
Recently, people have posted that the box was there but the stamp had
vanished.

Monica(the hiker)

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> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> letterbox-usa group:
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> Letterboxing and geocaching share some
> similarities and some people combine the
> two into one box. Based on my
> experience, I would
>
> o always combine the two if I can
> o never combine the two I can
> o only combine them in well-traveled places
> o only combine them in seldom-travelled places
> o only combine them in very remote places
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox-usa/surveys?id=991636
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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Please choose a person, a room, or a
weapon from the board game "Clue" to
carve in order to contribute to the
Richmond, Virginia Clue series. You may
choose more than one. A logbook and a
weatherproof container will need to be
provided for each stamp you carve. You
may carve anything you wish about your
choice. You will receive further details
on planting once you have signed up; the
Richmond club has tentatively scheduled
it for March. If you have any questions
or input, e-mail mlgainey@yahoo.com.

o Professor Plum
o Mrs. White
o Mr. Green
o Ballroom
o Kitchen
o Hall
o Billiard Room
o Study
o Lounge
o Dining Room
o Secret Passage
o Rope
o Lead Pipe
o Wrench


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

SUBJECT: Great Lakes Letterbox
Gathering - LOCATION. As the area
included in this gathering is large,
choosing a location convenient for
everyone will be difficult. People
from the following areas have expressed
a desire to attend: Chicago,
Cleveland, West Michigan, East
Michigan, SE Michigan, Central
Michigan. There are two routes to go
with this... FIRST, attempt to choose
a central location in the area of
Jackson/Ann Arbor, which would be
approximately 3.5 hours from the
outermost areas. SECOND, assuming this
will become an annual event, take turns
holding the meet in different regions,
which would in some years shorten the
drive for some (and possibly make
attendance more feasible), and in other
years, increase the drive. The latter
option has the advantage of making the
location more convenient for the event
coordinator as far as getting things
lined up and boxes planted, etc., and
would also give people the opportunity
to explore a variety of different
places. From the choices below, please
indicate your preference as to location:

o Choose a location central to those interested in attending
o Alternate locations throughout different regions
o I would attempt to come either way, provided camping/lodging were available nearby


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

SUBJECT: Great Lakes Letterbox
Gathering - DATE. In considering a
potential date for the get-together,
several factors came into play. Many
people expressed the desire to be able
to camp, which would necessitate
waiting until very late spring. I am
not sure what the preference is as to
Saturday or Sunday. My personal
thoughts are that holding the meet on a
Saturday would allow people an extra
day (Sunday) to independently continue
to hunt for the event boxes. Please
indicate below the date(s) you would be
able to attend (choose as many as
apply):

o Saturday, April 26
o Sunday, April 27
o Saturday, May 3
o Sunday, May 4
o Saturday, May 17
o Sunday, May 18
o Saturday, May 31
o Sunday, June 1
o I cannot attend on a Saturday
o I cannot attend on a Sunday
o I cannot attend on any of these dates


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Geared for CT/RI area....

2 Parts: #1 - Do you own or use a
kayak?

#2 - Would you use it to explore and
letterbox??

I'm thinking of planting some boxes on
local lakes and waterways which would
require kayak / canoe only access to
find them!


o Yes
o No
o Yes, would use it
o No, thanks anyway!


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

When I go letterboxing...
[for this poll, child is under 18]

o I never go without a child
o I usually go with a child
o I often have a child along
o I seldom have a child along
o This activity is best without children along


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Um, how about a sixth option:

* This activity would be great fun with kids, but I don't take any
because I don't have any?

:)

Kendra

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When I go letterboxing...
[for this poll, child is under 18]

o I never go without a child
o I usually go with a child
o I often have a child along
o I seldom have a child along
o This activity is best without children along


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The perfect survey question is so elusive!
I did avoid saying "your child" as I wanted to be broad and include
any experiece with going along with any child, grandchild, nephew,
friend, etc..

Anyway, this was a "just curious" question!

In my family I am the only one "nuts" about letterboxing and I take
along whoever is willing!
Kim
Cavy Lovers

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Jay And Kendra Perry
wrote:
> Um, how about a sixth option:
>
> * This activity would be great fun with kids, but I don't take any
> because I don't have any?
>
> :)
>
> Kendra

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letterbox-usa group:

In preperation for the 2003 Annual
Letterboxing Conference, we need your
vote for 'Boxer Of The Year. Cast your
vote now for the 'boxer who best
represents our great sport. Come enjoy
the Awards Banquet and see who was
selected!

o Wes Garrison
o Wes Garrison
o Someone not quite as deserving as Wes


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

It seems that we all know our
abbreviations, but unless we describe
what we mean by them others will not
know what you are conveying except for
the obvious ones: F P X HH. Can we come
to a consensus on what other
abbreviations mean?

o Yes.
o No, I A G LB L M A!!! : )


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Do you believe the sport of
letterboxing would be better served if
there were a time limit/deadline at
which point letterboxes should be
removed or changed?

o Tes definitely, it would keep the field 'fresh'
o Only in areas of high box/boxer concentration
o No definitely not, consistancy should be maintained
o while it should never be a requirement, it should be encouraged


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Do you feel the current database
(created to indicate box statuses and
reduce lengthy laundry lists of found
boxes) should be continued?

o Yes! I like the database!
o No! I do not support the idea of a database.....


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I have not been following the list recently due to other constraints,
but I will offer the following words --

* some old timers felt that it was a breach of letterboxing etiquette
to discuss boxes so much (at all). All this business about charm, foggy
moors and mystique and treasure hunting and the like, now detached and
subdivided in the mass production zone, to quote a famous Canadian
drummer. A little in the beginning, I guess, was ok (for some), but
it (in the opinion of other somes), has gotten out of hand. It has gone
from beer, to wine, to brandy, to downright rotgut (viz. a previous
message by me on the fermentation/distillation metaphor in the archives),
and heading nowhere near Islay. Of course, many old timers are now gone
or underground -- I can say with certainly that this is the reason in
some cases.

* As list owner, I get mountains of messages to crack down on this. As
a believer in self-organizing, decentralized systems, I have chosen not
to. I feel this is a community issue. I do sympathize with these
people, tho, and perhaps my known bias has lead me to be more neutral.

* One would have to question whether matters of "etiquette" are best
handled by a vote. Social relativism (as opposed to absolutism) is a
fascinating concept, and one I ascribe to personally, but it is not
without its own sticky wickets ...

* It would seem polite to ask the person who put in the time and the
cash to create the box whether they want it listed. Like I said, I
have not been following this, so perhaps it is being done. If it is
not, that is a shame, IMHO. I certainly hope mine don't show up
there ... that would be against my wishes.

Well, this issue doesn't affect me to much, but I figured I'd throw some
words into the fray anyway ...

Cheers

I've put your name on my 'do not post list' as Randy Hall, if it's
different on your boxes, let me know.
catbead


> not, that is a shame, IMHO. I certainly hope mine don't show up
> there ... that would be against my wishes.

It's comments like this from "oldtimers" that make the new people
feel unwelcome on this list. If you don't want new people here
perhaps you should not have magazine articles and easy access to this
wersite. I for one am tired of hearing how the new people have
destroyed YOUR website. Purple Iris




Of course, many old timers are now gone
> or underground -- I can say with certainly that this is the
reason in
> some cases.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "sandymess"
wrote:
> It's comments like this from "oldtimers" that make the new people
> feel unwelcome on this list.

Without the "oldtimers" you wouldn't have letterboxing! Let's be
grateful for those pioneers and learn what there is to learn about
what THEY started and THEIR vision without thinking we know better.
A little homage and respect for the 'elders' never hurt anyone. You
might just learn something you didn't already know.

As for magazine articles and such- never has been the consensus that
they were a completely good thing for this sport.

Repeat,It's comments like this make new people feel unwelcome!!!!!





--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "alwayschaos"
wrote:
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "sandymess"
> wrote:
> > It's comments like this from "oldtimers" that make the new people
> > feel unwelcome on this list.
>
> Without the "oldtimers" you wouldn't have letterboxing! Let's be
> grateful for those pioneers and learn what there is to learn about
> what THEY started and THEIR vision without thinking we know
better.
> A little homage and respect for the 'elders' never hurt anyone.
You
> might just learn something you didn't already know.
>
> As for magazine articles and such- never has been the consensus
that
> they were a completely good thing for this sport.

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Should cheese racing be allowed at
letterboxing events? (This especially
pertains to the Oct 4th, 2003 Central
CA event:
http://webpages.charter.net/astroweaver/
letterboxing/meadow.html )

o Absolutely not! Keep it at juggling events where it belongs.
o Not unless it is to bother Geocachers.
o Only if there are no children present.
o No one should ever cheese race. It is disgusting.
o Sure, bring it on! There are no rules!
o Cheese racing can be abused but only by cheesy people.
o Cheese racing brings about flaming on this board. Get rid of it!
o One of my loved ones is addicted to cheese racing. No one cares!
o When cheese racing is outlawed, only outlaws will have cheese.
o If the cheese runs for governor of Ca., you have to have it at the event.


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

There has been some discussion on this
and other letterboxing groups about
store bought stamps. How do you feel
about store bought stamps? *No flaming
please*

o They count as another find or exchange. It does not matter to me.
o I am disappointed to find anyone using them.
o They are better than some poorly carved stamp.
o They are okay for a sig stamp for folks just getting into letterboxing, but not in a box.
o If it is appropriate to the person or location, sure.
o Handcarved stamps are always better than store bought when it comes to letterboxing.


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In a message dated 9/16/2003 4:49:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com writes:

> o Handcarved stamps are always better than store bought when it comes to
> letterboxing.

I just really like seeing other people's creations, but sometimes store
bought is fine



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letterbox-usa group:

What do you consider your IDEAL ratio
between the number of boxes you
find and the number of boxes you
plant?

o Infinite; I do not plant boxes, just find them.
o 1 Find: 1 Plant I try to plant as many boxes as I find.
o 2 Finds: 1 Plant
o 3 Finds: 1 Plant
o 4 Finds: 1 Plant
o 5 Finds: 1 Plant
o 6 Finds: 1 Plant
o 7 Finds: 1 Plant
o 8 Finds: 1 Plant
o 9 Finds: 1 Plant
o 10 Finds: 1 Plant
o 20 or more Finds: 1 Plant


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Presently, what is your ratio of the
number of boxes you HAVE FOUND to the
number of boxes HAVE PLANTED?

o Infinite; I do not plant boxes, just find them.
o 1 Found: 1 Plant
o 2 Found: 1 Plant
o 3 Found: 1 Plant
o 4 Found: 1 Plant
o 5 Found: 1 Plant
o 6 Found: 1 Plant
o 7 Found: 1 Plant
o 8 Found: 1 Plant
o 9 Found: 1 Plant
o 10 Found: 1 Plant
o More than 10 Found: 1 Plant


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letterbox-usa group:

I think the list

o is operating basically fine considering the number and diversity of members
o could be better but what can the moderators do about 1400 different people
o should be managed in a less laissez-faire manner
o should be downright moderated by secret though police
o would be fine if people would simply lighten up a bit
o would be fine if certain people were voted off the island, and I have sent the list manager links to their offensive messages
o would be fine if the moderators followed my suggestion which I have forwarded to the list manager
o should have "list rules", a proposed draft of which I have sent to the list manager


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Do you ask permission before placing a
box in a public park?

o Yes, always, it's the right thing to do.
o Sometimes, if it's clear whom to ask.
o Never, it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.


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> Do you ask permission before placing a
> box in a public park?

> o Yes, always, it's the right thing to do.
> o Sometimes, if it's clear whom to ask.
> o Never, it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.

How about another option:
I pay taxes for this public park and I don't have to ask permission to do anything else in the park so why should this be an exception.

--
___________________________________
California Bear

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letterbox-usa group:

What type of information should a clue
contain that allows a finder to know
more about the difficulty of the box and
location?

o A rating scale from 1-10: 1 being easy, 5 bieng moderate, 10 being most difficult
o A descriptive portion of the clue that specifically describes the terrain/location
o A link to a trail map or suggestion for hiking
o It is up to the finder to determine their hiking ability
o No information is needed


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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
>
> o It is up to the finder to determine their hiking ability
> o No information is needed

Aren't these two pretty much the same thing?

CR

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letterbox-usa group:

How should routine questions,
like "what is a hitchhiker?" be handled?

o We should not have a rule, people should just answer on the list if they feel like it.
o People who feel like it should answer these questions through private email.
o A single member (perhaps we could take turns) would answer these questions on the list.
o A single member (again taking turns) would answer these questions in private email
o These questions should be ignored.
o We should use stronger wording on the group page to tell new people to look for these answers before posting.
o What _is_ a hitchhiker?
o I don't see my answer here.


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I would like to answer the poll, but just an observation/ question first to help sort this out. I think people have been in the habit of mostly answering the question on the list partly because that's the only way they know of to let others know they've answered it. If it gets answered off the list, am I right in saying that the only way to know if it got answered is if the helpful answerer also emails the list to say "I got this one"? Also, as with the compass question, there are multiple "correct" answers, and so maybe a few answers isn't a bad idea. And one more observation-- if designated answerers is one solution, they should let another answerer know if they are going to be away from a computer for weeks. Yeah, as you all know, it's more complicated than it looks. Some feedback to that first question esp. would help me answer the poll. --lunaryakketyact

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I was refering specifically to posts which merely direct the
questioner to seek out the FAQs.


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Anna Lisa Yoder"
wrote:
> I would like to answer the poll, but just an observation/ question
first to help sort this out. I think people have been in the habit
of mostly answering the question on the list partly because that's
the only way they know of to let others know they've answered it. If
it gets answered off the list, am I right in saying that the only way
to know if it got answered is if the helpful answerer also emails the
list to say "I got this one"? Also, as with the compass question,
there are multiple "correct" answers, and so maybe a few answers
isn't a bad idea. And one more observation-- if designated answerers
is one solution, they should let another answerer know if they are
going to be away from a computer for weeks. Yeah, as you all know,
it's more complicated than it looks. Some feedback to that first
question esp. would help me answer the poll. --lunaryakketyact
>
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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Anna Lisa Yoder"
wrote:
> I would like to answer the poll, but just an
> observation/ question first to help sort this
> out. I think people have been in the habit of
> mostly answering the question on the list
> partly because that's the only way they know
> of to let others know they've answered it.
> If it gets answered off the list, am I right
> in saying that the only way to know if it got
> answered is if the helpful answerer also emails
> the list to say "I got this one"?

Yes, that would be true unless there were a
specific person chosen to take these questions,
In which case we could just assume they were
handling it. BUT, other than the hitchhiker
question, how would we know which questions the
group considers "routine"?

If no specific person is chosen then yes, the
only way to know that a question was answered off
list would be to post "I got this one" or some such
thing on the list, in which case one wonders why not
just answer the thing directly on the list and be done
with it.

> Also, as
> with the compass question, there are multiple
> "correct" answers, and so maybe a few answers
> isn't a bad idea.

Sure, even when we think the answers are cut and
dried, the constant infusion of new blood into
the group may produce new perspectives on many of
the old questions. This seems like an argument for
keeping all responses spontaneous and public.

> And one more observation--
> if designated answerers is one solution, they
> should let another answerer know if they are
> going to be away from a computer for weeks.

Another reason to keep the responses public.

> Yeah, as you all know, it's more complicated than
> it looks. Some feedback to that first question
> esp. would help me answer the poll. --lunaryakketyact

Complicated indeed! As far as I can tell from previous
postings, the primary reason for keeping responses off
the list was to cut down on the number of emails that
people are receiving. But I think many of these strategies
are likely to backfire. If we answer each common question
off list, only one person can benefit from each answer,
so the question may be asked much more often.

For folks that are overwhelmed with the number of emails,
consider changing your mail preferences. This can be
accessed by clicking on "Edit my group preferences" on
the group home page. You can use digest
mode to get a single email with all of the day's posts
included. You can even choose not to get any mail, and view
the posts in the archives at your leisure. Recently, Yahoo
added an rss feed for the group, so you can use an rss
ticker to get immediate notification of new posts without
filling up your inbox.

Folks, if you've got an opinion on this, be heard. Vote in
the poll, comment on the list. Let's get some positive
energy flowing on this list again. I think it is still
possible for this group to make decisions as a group, we
just need a little practice.

-Isosceles

One idea is to put something in place and try it for 3 months or 6 months, whatever, & see how it goes. Maybe we need more specifics in the poll questions so that we know just what kind of questions are being considered "routine". In the poll, does "routine" mean any FAQ, or does it mean an FAQ that is already answered in the LbNA website FAQs?! I'm not trying to be funny here! I'm asking this, because earlier in my newbier-days, I believe I asked a question that people thought was addressed in the LbNA FAQs and wasn't. It WAS, however, answered in links that I hadn't noticed or paid enough attention to before asking. I know, this sounds ultra-specific, but I think it's the specifics that will help people sort out what they think is a good solution. Thanks --lunaryakketyact P.S. How do we go about answering the poll? I get my Yahoo stuff in email form... do I need to go on Yahoo groups to answer?

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lb_isosceles@yahoo.com writes:

> the primary reason for keeping responses off
> the list was to cut down on the number of emails that
> people are receiving.
>
I haven't done an actual count, but I'm willing to bet I get more emails
after each question, complaining about people posting "beginner" questions, than I
do from the questions and answers themselves. Newbies are a part of any
activity. Seems like if we just answer their questions, either directly or by
pointing them to the FAQs, it's not THAT big a deal.

DebBee, who swore she was going to quit posting for awhile. Oh well.



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I just wanted to put my two cents in...
I think that if a question like that is asked, someone should just
answer it. That way the asker doesn't get twenty emails from people
trying to be the 'one' to answer their question privately. Also, it
might help future newbies when searching the archives. This last
person said she/he searched the archives, and couldn't find
anything. Their post was called something like "what is a
hitchiker?"...going forward if another newbie types that phrase into
the search, they might actually get the answer...rather than our
banter on what to do about people asking what hitchikers are.
Just my thoughts.
Tara

I have to agree with the email below. I spend more time weeding out the
complaints about newbies questions and the arguements of others than I
do of reading the newbies questions. Also, as said, newbies are a part
of all activities... I know when I started I did read all the FAQ's
before posting some of my questions, yet some of the questions were not
answered in the FAQ area... or, they weren't clear enough for me to
understand. For being an activity with no rules, there is a lot to
learn and can be very confusing for a new person.

Just my 2 cents.


Debbi


I haven't done an actual count, but I'm willing to bet I get more emails

after each question, complaining about people posting "beginner"
questions, than I
do from the questions and answers themselves. Newbies are a part of
any
activity. Seems like if we just answer their questions, either
directly or by
pointing them to the FAQs, it's not THAT big a deal.





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At the risk of reattaching the 'Kick Me' sign on my back, Please allow me to share my thoughts (grin)......

I can see each side of the argument here. The people that get the list one email at a time vs. those that get the
digest only. Those that read it online at the yahoo website vs. those that don't. Those that get their individual
emails in a limited platform. Those that have a limited amount of email space at where ever their email is hosted. Etc,
etc, etc.

First and foremost, I think we all need to take a step back and take a deep breath. Having good, friendly debates
about how to do something is a very good sign. There are about a hundred ways of doing something and many good ideas
have come from it. I, for one, like the single answer to the mailing list with the answer to the persons question. I
do online customer support for several software packages and I can't tell you how many times people are just plain
confused about everything and the last thing they want is a brush off, even if what you gave them wasn't one. They
can read everything in the world and they'll still not find the answer. Sometimes, people just want the answer, they
don't want to feel like they're in High School all over, being told to go find the answer themselves. I'm NOT
accusing anyone of anything here at all, I'm just sharing my thoughts. Of course, for this to work, people need to
make sure that the questions has not already been answered before they answer it. We'll have a few overlaps, but, in
my not so humble opinion, less than the other experiences we've had in the past.

I think the link to the FAQ and other pertinent info should be added to the welcome message to the group and I can
tell you it's not hard to do.

And, just to share something I spoke with pandora about last night, I don't harbor any animosity towards anyone at all
on this list. I may not see eye to eye with some of then, harsh words may have been exchanged, dirty laundry may have
been aired publicly, but I don't harbor any grudges or anger towards anyone. I do apologize to everyone for
the 'implied' tone of my words at times, I am sorry if they upset, angered or hurt anyone. I for one am taking a more
laid back attitude where the mailing list is concerned. I'm going to try and not wear my emotions on my sleeve
anymore (That should be interesting!) and not be so sensitive to what's being said. I ask others to do the same.

May your finds be plentiful, your plants sublime and your enjoyment complete!

Steve of Team Rayvenhaus
rayvenhaus at lbworld dot org

To me it seems like such a simple thing... Whoever is inclined (and
there will be quite a few, I would hope.) would either (a)kindly
refer the questioner to a site where the question is answered or (b)
simply answer the question. No hassle, few repeats and ABSOLUTELY no
misanthropes shooting flames at the questioner. Those who are
against answering questions should just not bother replying.

Busy Bee
... who reads here rarely, and posts even more rarely...NOT because
of newbies but because of the caustic tone of many of the
more 'vocal' people here. It's a real downer that I don't need.

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Should your FINGER PRINT be your stamp?

o Yes.
o No.
o Nvr Thought about it.
o HEy; GoOd IDEA!
o Why not?


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

What is your favorite carving material
for letterbox stamps?

o White plastic eraser
o Pink Pearl eraser
o Nasco Safety Kut
o STAMPEAZ PZ Cut
o Mars-Staedtler MasterCarve ("Carves Like Butter")
o Speedball SpeedyStamp ("Pink Stuff")
o Speedball SpeedyCut ("White Stuff")
o Dick Blick Carving Material
o Rubber gasket material
o Other


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Interesting to see the responses. A similar poll on another
letterboxing forum yielded results similar to what we see here. The
top materials are:

Speedball SpeedyStamp ("pink stuff")
MasterCarve
PZ Cut from Stampeaz

The # of people voting, however, has been limited. Better to see the
results from this forum given the numbers that hang out here!

CPAScott

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> letterbox-usa group:
>
> What is your favorite carving material
> for letterbox stamps?
>
> o White plastic eraser
> o Pink Pearl eraser
> o Nasco Safety Kut
> o STAMPEAZ PZ Cut
> o Mars-Staedtler MasterCarve ("Carves Like Butter")
> o Speedball SpeedyStamp ("Pink Stuff")
> o Speedball SpeedyCut ("White Stuff")
> o Dick Blick Carving Material
> o Rubber gasket material
> o Other
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox-usa/surveys?id=1296701
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!

Okay, I did NOT list Kraft Cheese Slices as a carving material. That
was just silly! So no more intimating you can carve cheese just like
you can race it. Both are abominations. Trust me.

I admit that MasterCarve (Carves Like Butter) does have some issues:
* a tad expensive (but hey, what is my time worth carving this?)
* a tad crumbly after zillions of stampings (ah, the Japanese ideal
of beauty: cherry blossoms!)and
* a tad hard to acquire in thinner slices.

The pink stuff by Speedball is cheaper, not quite as crumbly, easier
to find. Still, give me the Carves Like Butter everytime! Did you
know it was invented by a lady stampmaker who sold the rights to it
after she was seriously injured in a car accident? Profits from the
sale have helped her in her recovery. At least that is what I am
told.

Anyway, thank you folk for voting on the poll. If you haven't yet
cast your vote, please do. I will close it out in a bit. Anyone
having a super new material not mentioned? Hey, let us know. And
yes, I did have the names posted with the votes. Thought it would be
helpful for all of us to know who is doing what. Shall we next poll
on carving tools? *G*

Taking and leaving good impressions,
Sir B

neovolatile@yahoo.com writes:

> MasterCarve (Carves Like Butter)
>
Funny you should mention cheese. I took a stamp carving class some months
ago where they gave us MasterCarve to use. The instructor said, "It says
'carves like butter,' but I think it should be 'carves like cheese.'"

Remember we're in South Florida. Butter down here is REALLY soft!

DebBee


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I don't know about Kraft Cheese Slices, but I'd imagine that Velveeta would be a workable medium....

:)

Doodle.


Sir Balthazar wrote:Okay, I did NOT list Kraft Cheese Slices as a carving material. That
was just silly! So no more intimating you can carve cheese just like
you can race it. Both are abominations. Trust me.



Taking and leaving good impressions,
Sir B



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No- Velveeta's WAY too melty in the hot sun! :)

The Family

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Doodle & Deedle Bug
wrote:
> I don't know about Kraft Cheese Slices, but I'd imagine that
Velveeta would be a workable medium....
>
> :)
>
> Doodle.
>
>
> Sir Balthazar wrote:Okay, I did NOT list Kraft
Cheese Slices as a carving material. That
> was just silly! So no more intimating you can carve cheese just
like
> you can race it. Both are abominations. Trust me.
>
>
>
> Taking and leaving good impressions,
> Sir B
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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>
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There is a plus side to having cheese stamps. You can throw away
the clues and follow the mice. Very easy find.
Psychomom


> > I don't know about Kraft Cheese Slices, but I'd imagine that
> Velveeta would be a workable medium....
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Doodle.
> >
> >
> > Sir Balthazar wrote:Okay, I did NOT list Kraft
> Cheese Slices as a carving material. That
> > was just silly! So no more intimating you can carve cheese just
> like
> > you can race it.

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

What kind of clues do you like the
most, when searching for letterboxes?

o Regular Clues
o Clues that are one big story
o Mystery clues
o Clues that deal with mostly compass readings
o Doesn't matter, I like them all


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Do you want to see LB.org require
a 'membership/ID/password' to ACCESS
the CLUES, What's New, Search for Boxes

o YES all clue related access
o NO keep wide open, as is
o YES all access, including FAQ, Getting Started


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

Would you attend a Fear Factor Themed
letterboxing Camping Weeking in
Stanfordville, NY on either of these
weekends... July 8-10 or July 29-31.
(poll for date will follow later)

o Yes
o NO
o No Way!
o Bring it on!!!!


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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Help us choose the best weekend to
hold our Fear Factor themed camping
weekend.

o July 8-10th
o July 29-31st
o I can't make either weekend


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

This poll is for the men out there... Who do you box with?
Please choose the answer that best applies. Choose more than
one answer if you must. Thanks!

o I box with my girlfriend/wife, she got me started
o same as #1, but I got HER started
o I usually go boxing with "just" friends male and/or female
o I usually box with my buddies, rarely women join us
o I prefer to box alone
o I box with family most of the time
o A female told me about letterboxing
o A male told me about letterboxing
o I discovered letterboxing by accident.


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What about men who date men? Is this an exclusionary poll or did you simply forget to add the odd catagory..c-bear...

letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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This poll is for the men out there... Who do you box with?
Please choose the answer that best applies. Choose more than
one answer if you must. Thanks!

o I box with my girlfriend/wife, she got me started
o same as #1, but I got HER started
o I usually go boxing with "just" friends male and/or female
o I usually box with my buddies, rarely women join us
o I prefer to box alone
o I box with family most of the time
o A female told me about letterboxing
o A male told me about letterboxing
o I discovered letterboxing by accident.


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> What about men who date men? <

Thank you for adding that category. Count my vote.

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

What do you like most about finding a LB?

I've simply posted 'good' on several of the choices. Read
that as whatever 'good' means to you.

If you'd care to elaborate, post it out on the list-serve.

o A good clue?
o A good location?
o A great stamp?
o A cool log-book?
o An old Logbook, with lots of entries?
o Comradery of LB with others?
o Interesting background info re place/stamp?
o Being introduced to someplace you've never been?
o Introducing others?
o Raising you F count?


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My favorite part is the thrill of opening the box and seeing what's inside.
What do you like most about finding a LB?

o A good clue?
o A good location?
o A great stamp?
o A cool log-book?
o An old Logbook, with lots of entries?
o Comradery of LB with others?
o Interesting background info re place/stamp?
o Being introduced to someplace you've never been?
o Introducing others?
o Raising you F count?

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All of them. I am planting now & have finally tried to carve some stamps.
Look in NH & Long Island New York for my plants. This winter & even sent out
some PLB's for the first time. I sure did learn what to do next time.

STAR:W+S=DRR


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What do you like most about finding a LB?

o A good clue?
o A good location?
o A great stamp?
o A cool log-book?
o An old Logbook, with lots of entries?
o Comradery of LB with others?
o Interesting background info re place/stamp?
o Being introduced to someplace you've never been?
o Introducing others?
o Raising you F count?

It depends entirely on the specific letterbox: Sometimes, it's the thrill
of working out puzzling clues; sometimes it's the place, especially if it's
scenic or historic or interesting, or just a great new discovery; sometimes
it's the really clever or intricate stamp, or the stamps and notes left in the
logbook entries; sometimes it's the possibility that I just might be FF (rarely
happens, but sometimes!); I love the surprise of finding an "extra" - a
bonus box, a HH, or just an unexpectedly clever logbook, or even a very clever
hiding place. Taking someone else along just adds to the fun, but I also like
to explore alone. And, yes, I like to add to my F count! I really really
hate to give up on a hunt. And, sometimes it's just the secret pleasure of
knowing that it's still there after I've rehidden it and left it with my stamp
in it, too. -- Viewfinder (tx2chic)






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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

How do you feel about finders letting you know when they've
found (or possibly not found) your box?

o Love it. I wish everyone would let me know.
o Don't really care one way or the other.
o I only want to hear if there's something wrong that needs fixing.
o What a nuisance! I wish they wouldn't bother!


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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Since we can't seem to stop bickering about this, or at least let it go, how about we settle this once and for all. Vote on whether you would like to see a review feature similar to the geocaching site on LbNA. Then everyone regardless of which side they are on will be a grown up and quietly accept that the majority disagrees with them nor will the persons holding the opposing view gloat.

Before voting take time to review this thread so that you are fully informed (and you will be) about both sides of this disagreement. Think about your vote and don't react emotionally to any percieved slights or petty nastiness on either side of the argument, how you feel about someone manners or personality is not the issue here.

o yes I would like to see a review feature similar to that on the geocaching site added to LbNA
o No I would not like to see a review feature similar to that on the geocaching site added to LbNA


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I don't want to register as a yahoo user and therefor I can not vote in the
survey. This seem unfair. Any way my response is No, I would not ......to the
survey. Thanks for letting me express my opinion even if is not counted.

STAR:W+S=DRR


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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What is your favorite part of the find?

o The hand-carved stamp itself
o What the Stamp represents
o The art of the well-made logbook
o The clever location
o The toughness of the clues


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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What is your favorite part of the find?

o The hand-carved stamp itself
o What the Stamp represents
o The art of the well-made logbook
o The clever location
o The toughness of the clues


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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How many people have you introduced to LetterBoxing that have stayed interested for at least a year?

o Family members
o 1 - 2
o 3 - 5
o more than 5


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i received a request
to add another option:

NO ONE

well
i cannot change without losing all of the data
and i did want this to be a short term POLL
closes in MAY

original question will have to stand

dixie darlin'

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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Have seen some recent traffic about signature stamps, and i had a few "I WONDER...." so here goes:



o Is your personal stamp - store bought?
o DID you start LB with a store-bought stamp and then carve one for yourself?
o Is your personal stamp hand carved?
o Have you changed your personal stamp since you started LB?
o DO you use a different stamp when you LB with family?


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There's no option there for custom stamps.....
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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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You letterbox and ...

o have tried Geocaching a few times (I'll stick with Letterboxing)
o Geocache a little
o Geocahe (both) alot
o mostly Geocache
o never have tried Geocaching (its the devil's work!)
o never have tried Geocaching (Iwould like to try some day)
o have tried a number of treasure hunt games
o now need therapy because of it!


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Thanks!

Hmmm... seems to be an option missing..

For haven't tried Geocaching the options now are.... devil's work or would
like to try.

But what about haven't tried Geocaching, just not interested. (ie... haven't
tried, don't plan to)

RIFamily


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That last line is unfair!! Where's the option for those of us who
letterbox AS therapy?

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wrote:
>
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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>
> You letterbox and ...
>
> o have tried Geocaching a few times (I'll stick with
Letterboxing)
> o Geocache a little
> o Geocahe (both) alot
> o mostly Geocache
> o never have tried Geocaching (its the devil's work!)
> o never have tried Geocaching (Iwould like to try some day)
> o have tried a number of treasure hunt games
> o now need therapy because of it!
>
>
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I have never tried geochaching but have found some while looking for
letterboxes. I'm a little intimidated by the whole GPS thing
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "kf4oyt" wrote:
>
> That last line is unfair!! Where's the option for those of us who
> letterbox AS therapy?
>
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> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> > letterbox-usa group:
> >
> > You letterbox and ...
> >
> > o have tried Geocaching a few times (I'll stick with
> Letterboxing)
> > o Geocache a little
> > o Geocahe (both) alot
> > o mostly Geocache
> > o never have tried Geocaching (its the devil's work!)
> > o never have tried Geocaching (Iwould like to try some day)
> > o have tried a number of treasure hunt games
> > o now need therapy because of it!
> >
> >
> > To vote, please visit the following web page:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox-usa/surveys?id=2569897
> >
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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

If there is contact information available, do you contact the HH owner when you find a hitchhiker?

o Yes, always
o No, never
o Sometimes


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I voted 'yes, always' because I'm assuming that includes even if the email
bounces because the addy has gone belly-up. At least I can say I tried.
:-) Or should I have hit 'sometimes'?

~~ Mosey ~~

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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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If there is contact information available, do you contact the HH owner when
you find a hitchhiker?

o Yes, always
o No, never
o Sometimes


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I have never found an HH yet, BUT, if I did, I'd try to contact them
if there was information available... BUT, since poll asked: "Do
You", and not "Would You", I guess I can't take it, since I've not
found one to "Do so". ;-)

Gary

At 08:45 AM 9/22/2007, you wrote:

>Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
>letterbox-usa group:
>
>If there is contact information available, do you contact the HH
>owner when you find a hitchhiker?
>
> o Yes, always
> o No, never
> o Sometimes
>
>
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I would consider that a 'yes, always'.

Lone R

xxxxxxxx wrote: I voted 'yes, always' because I'm assuming that includes even if the email
bounces because the addy has gone belly-up. At least I can say I tried.
:-) Or should I have hit 'sometimes'?

~~ Mosey ~~

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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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If there is contact information available, do you contact the HH owner when
you find a hitchhiker?

o Yes, always
o No, never
o Sometimes

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Not enough voting options for me :o) I always TRY to contack the
owner when I find a HH, but some of them aren't listed online and
didn't give contact info....so it's not possible to contact them.....

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wrote:
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>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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>
> o Yes, always
> o No, never
> o Sometimes
>
>
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I always try to log it on AQ if possible, and being relatively new..am only familiar with that forum so far. If they put an email address then I try to email. But, yes I always try to contact. Not always so successfully.


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Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:23:53 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: New poll for letterbox-usa

Not enough voting options for me :o) I always TRY to contack the
owner when I find a HH, but some of them aren't listed online and
didn't give contact info.....so it's not possible to contact them.....

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wrote:
>
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> letterbox-usa group:
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>
> o Yes, always
> o No, never
> o Sometimes
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

How do you feel about talking with the Land Manager of the park, preserve, forest, etc. where letterboxes are planted in your area? Check all that apply.

o The land is open to the public and I have a right to plant boxes there.
o I would rather pull all my boxes than talk to the Manager.
o I have been confronted by a Manager or Officer and a fine or penalty was imposed against me.
o Dont ask dont tell.
o My letterbox was blown up by the Bomb Squad.
o All Managers are opposed to letterboxing.
o I dont know / am scared about how he/she will respond.
o I will talk with the Manager if I have to, but I would prefer going to the dentist.
o I will get arrested.
o I would be apprehensive /scared if I received an email from the Manager.
o It is easier to ask forgiveness than permission.
o Law Enforcement was summoned to my letterbox.
o If I knew what policy was in place, I would feel more confident.
o The Manager may like letterboxing, but I will not be the one to explain it to him/her.
o Letterboxing brings nice visitors, so I would want the Manager to appreciate that.
o I would feel better if another letterboxer went with me.
o I have spoken with Managers, and some are opposed to letterboxing.
o I have spoken with Managers, and some are in favor of letterboxing.
o There is no obvious / cant find the Manager at some parks or preserves.
o The Manager is an outdoors person like us, and will like letterboxing when I explain it to him/her.


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i don't think i have problem with the box being hid on public land,
without park permission, as long as there's no way any damage could
be done.




--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
>
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> letterbox-usa group:
>
> How do you feel about talking with the Land Manager of the park,
preserve, forest, etc. where letterboxes are planted in your area?
Check all that apply.
>
> o The land is open to the public and I have a right to plant
boxes there.
> o I would rather pull all my boxes than talk to the Manager.
> o I have been confronted by a Manager or Officer and a fine or
penalty was imposed against me.
> o Don't ask don't tell.
> o My letterbox was blown up by the Bomb Squad.
> o All Managers are opposed to letterboxing.
> o I don't know / am scared about how he/she will respond.
> o I will talk with the Manager if I have to, but I would prefer
going to the dentist.
> o I will get arrested.
> o I would be apprehensive /scared if I received an email from
the Manager.
> o It is easier to ask forgiveness than permission.
> o Law Enforcement was summoned to my letterbox.
> o If I knew what policy was in place, I would feel more
confident.
> o The Manager may like letterboxing, but I will not be the one
to explain it to him/her.
> o Letterboxing brings nice visitors, so I would want the Manager
to appreciate that.
> o I would feel better if another letterboxer went with me.
> o I have spoken with Managers, and some are opposed to
letterboxing.
> o I have spoken with Managers, and some are in favor of
letterboxing.
> o There is no obvious / can't find the Manager at some parks or
preserves.
> o The Manager is an outdoors person like us, and will like
letterboxing when I explain it to him/her.
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
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>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
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> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!
>

I worked at a park this past summer where there's about 10 boxes. It
was fun because the park's only 2 miles by 3 miles, easy to get to do
a lot of boxing.

But getting to the point: our park manager didn't know about the
boxes so when our park ranger would run into them, he'd throw them
out, not knowing what they were, just a dirty bag with a plastic
container in it. To them it looked like litered lunch. Now I know
they just might have been not covered well, or moved by an animal,
but the point is, if you don't tell the manager, they don't tell
their team and people that don't know will just toss the 'liter.'

Telling the manager may be scary or intimidating, but try writing a
letter or e-mail before visiting. That may help.

The managers need to know though, it may be public property, but it's
theirs to clean. If they know it's there they could help recover it
too.

Just food for thought.

Cat

> How do you feel about talking with the Land Manager of the park,
preserve, forest, etc. where letterboxes are planted in your area?

I finally got around to casting my "votes" on this (and a couple of
other polls I had missed), and thought that I would make a couple of
general comments...

One of the great things about living in Ventura County is that we have
a large National Forest that covers the northern third, where hiding
little treasure boxes of all kinds (letterboxes, geocaches, supply
caches, etc.) is tolerated as long as they are hidden on/near
established roads and trails and do not impact on sensitive areas. We
also have several State Parks and State Beaches in the County, or
nearby in Los Angeles County, and CalParks' semi-official position on
these things is "benign ignorance"; they don't really want to know
about them, but won't bother them out-of-hand, and if they aren't in a
sensitive area, they are fine, but if they get swept up in trash
removal and such activities, oh, well. Can't complain about that!
There are also a couple of local agencies (COSCA is one) which
actually encourage the hiding of treasure boxes except in sensitive
areas. A couple of COSCA rangers are occasional geocachers and one
also letterboxes now and then. It is wonderful to have agencies that
at least tolerate us and will not deliberately go out of their way to
prevent us from playing our games.

On the other hand, the National Park Service owns a few parcels in and
near Ventura County, and we cannot hide *anything* on their land.
They will remove any that they find, and they will go looking for
them. To be honest, we can live with that, as we have tons of other
options available. And several of us "crazies" are also volunteers in
various ways, and the Superintendent has at least taken under
consideration allowing one geocache to be hidden in a park which gets
a fair amount of traffic, to see what its impact might be. If this
happens, and if things go well, legally hiding LBs might be allowed
down the line. But this is a long road, and I really do wish that
whoever hid five LBs at Circle X would pull them all, because that is
NPS land and they aren't going to help matters any. There are a
couple of other agencies that do not like caches and LBs, but they
don't hunt for and remove them, at least. Still, if you are seen off
trail, you could be questioned and they will demand that any boxes be
removed immediately. The key is always to be careful, no matter on
whose land you are hunting.

The real problem, though, is in city-owned parks. I and others have
gotten permission to hide caches and boxes in them, only to have the
groundskeepers pull them, anyway. Many of these workers are not
highly-paid, and they are basically just mowers and choppers and
sweepers who don't really have the time to see if that piece of
plastic is an LB, or just something dropped by a careless picnicker.
Can't say that I blame them. Thus, most of the things hidden in parks
are very small, and they tend to vanish in months or even weeks. Once
bitten, twice shy; lose a couple of these, and one tends to give up.
A couple of days ago, I e-mailed a local new boxer about a series of
three LBs in a park in the city of Ventura. She asked me where it
was, as she couldn't find the listing. I looked and it was gone, less
than a year after it was hidden :-( A nice series, although one of
the boxes required incredible stealth and might have caused the whole
series to be pulled. I was the first to find that one, but several
other boxers had stamped in the other two before I got them; I got all
three on the same day. I know, however, that geocaching is allowed in
that park; we have two caches in it and there are 6 or 8 others in it.
None of them has ever had problems, except for one that was hidden too
close to a large picnic area. A lot of it is in the placement, not in
the park rules.

Thus, permission isn't always going to help. It certainly is not a
guarantee. The best way to protect your letterboxes is to hide them
in places where "common folk" (we call them "geo-muggles", or just
muggles, in caching, and I have seen that term used occasionally in
letterboxing: it works) are not likely to go. Urban LBs are much
harder to hide than urban caches. An urban micro geocache can be a
35mm film can or even smaller; it's tough to make a letterbox that
small. Thus, it really is more likely that an LB will survive in wild
country, rather than civilized areas. There are always exceptions, of
course, but you can't complain if a box 30 feet from a picnic bench
gets muggled. No matter how well you hide it, kids playing can find
almost anything; the better hidden it is, the more likely they are to
find it, for some reason :-o And it is a general truism that the
wilder the country (within reason), the less likely you will need to
worry much about permission, anyway. Use your brains and your eyes
when hiding, and you are probably going to have a hide that will be
there for years :-)

chaosmanor

Hey! We live here! I assume you are referring to the AV.....Series. That was
our 1st box since it is so very close to home. The clue is still there on
LbNA, just in the basement. The 1st of the 3 boxes is still there, although
boxes 2 and 3 seem to have gone missing. And there are notably few in this
part of VC, although Montecito and Summerland just a little up the 101 have
quite a few.

woolfairy


On 2/15/08, jim54invc wrote:
>
> I finally got around to casting my "votes" on this (and a couple of
> other polls I had missed), and thought that I would make a couple of
> general comments...
>
> One of the great things about living in Ventura County is that we have
> a large National Forest that covers the northern third, where hiding
> little treasure boxes of all kinds (letterboxes, geocaches, supply
> caches, etc.) is tolerated as long as they are hidden on/near
> established roads and trails and do not impact on sensitive areas. We
> also have several State Parks and State Beaches in the County, or
> nearby in Los Angeles County, and CalParks' semi-official position on
> these things is "benign ignorance"; they don't really want to know
> about them, but won't bother them out-of-hand, and if they aren't in a
> sensitive area, they are fine, but if they get swept up in trash
> removal and such activities, oh, well. Can't complain about that!
> There are also a couple of local agencies (COSCA is one) which
> actually encourage the hiding of treasure boxes except in sensitive
> areas. A couple of COSCA rangers are occasional geocachers and one
> also letterboxes now and then. It is wonderful to have agencies that
> at least tolerate us and will not deliberately go out of their way to
> prevent us from playing our games.
>
> On the other hand, the National Park Service owns a few parcels in and
> near Ventura County, and we cannot hide *anything* on their land.
> They will remove any that they find, and they will go looking for
> them. To be honest, we can live with that, as we have tons of other
> options available. And several of us "crazies" are also volunteers in
> various ways, and the Superintendent has at least taken under
> consideration allowing one geocache to be hidden in a park which gets
> a fair amount of traffic, to see what its impact might be. If this
> happens, and if things go well, legally hiding LBs might be allowed
> down the line. But this is a long road, and I really do wish that
> whoever hid five LBs at Circle X would pull them all, because that is
> NPS land and they aren't going to help matters any. There are a
> couple of other agencies that do not like caches and LBs, but they
> don't hunt for and remove them, at least. Still, if you are seen off
> trail, you could be questioned and they will demand that any boxes be
> removed immediately. The key is always to be careful, no matter on
> whose land you are hunting.
>
> The real problem, though, is in city-owned parks. I and others have
> gotten permission to hide caches and boxes in them, only to have the
> groundskeepers pull them, anyway. Many of these workers are not
> highly-paid, and they are basically just mowers and choppers and
> sweepers who don't really have the time to see if that piece of
> plastic is an LB, or just something dropped by a careless picnicker.
> Can't say that I blame them. Thus, most of the things hidden in parks
> are very small, and they tend to vanish in months or even weeks. Once
> bitten, twice shy; lose a couple of these, and one tends to give up.
> A couple of days ago, I e-mailed a local new boxer about a series of
> three LBs in a park in the city of Ventura. She asked me where it
> was, as she couldn't find the listing. I looked and it was gone, less
> than a year after it was hidden :-( A nice series, although one of
> the boxes required incredible stealth and might have caused the whole
> series to be pulled. I was the first to find that one, but several
> other boxers had stamped in the other two before I got them; I got all
> three on the same day. I know, however, that geocaching is allowed in
> that park; we have two caches in it and there are 6 or 8 others in it.
> None of them has ever had problems, except for one that was hidden too
> close to a large picnic area. A lot of it is in the placement, not in
> the park rules.
>
> Thus, permission isn't always going to help. It certainly is not a
> guarantee. The best way to protect your letterboxes is to hide them
> in places where "common folk" (we call them "geo-muggles", or just
> muggles, in caching, and I have seen that term used occasionally in
> letterboxing: it works) are not likely to go. Urban LBs are much
> harder to hide than urban caches. An urban micro geocache can be a
> 35mm film can or even smaller; it's tough to make a letterbox that
> small. Thus, it really is more likely that an LB will survive in wild
> country, rather than civilized areas. There are always exceptions, of
> course, but you can't complain if a box 30 feet from a picnic bench
> gets muggled. No matter how well you hide it, kids playing can find
> almost anything; the better hidden it is, the more likely they are to
> find it, for some reason :-o And it is a general truism that the
> wilder the country (within reason), the less likely you will need to
> worry much about permission, anyway. Use your brains and your eyes
> when hiding, and you are probably going to have a hide that will be
> there for years :-)
>
> chaosmanor
>
>
>


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I really do wish that
> whoever hid five LBs at Circle X would pull them all, because that is
> NPS land and they aren't going to help matters any. >
> chaosmanor
>
Hi chaosmanor

We adopted lonewolf's Circle X letterbox quite some time ago and have
maintained it since then with the help of PeterK. When was this area
put into the NPS system?
I wasn't aware of the other 5 boxes.
Normally the NPS does a pretty good job at cruising the net and
googling up letterbox clues, so I'm a bit surprised that I hadn't
received a warning note on this one.

Don

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "gwendontoo" wrote:

>> I really do wish that whoever hid five LBs at Circle X would pull
>> them all, because that is NPS land...
>> chaosmanor

> We adopted lonewolf's Circle X letterbox quite some time ago and
> have maintained it since then with the help of PeterK. When was this
> area put into the NPS system? I wasn't aware of the other 5 boxes.

Don, your cache up near Balanced Rock may be OK, but if so, it's very
close to the NPS boundary. The "Circle X Ranch" LB is either on NPS
land or on Private Property. Split Rock and Balanced Rock are within
NPS boundaries, and have been since 1989. Tri-Peaks is just inside
CalParks property; I mention this to show the extent of the NPS
ownership. That whole Circle X Ranch area was purchased from the
State of California, which got it from the Boy Scouts. But I wasn't
talking about that LB. The series of five is on the Grotto Trail,
which starts just below the Circle X Ranger Station. It's called
"Children's Book Series", and was planted by ToT. It was listed last
February; we were FTF last April; the last logged Find on LbNA was in
October. The owner has not responded to e-mails from me. Sorry about
the confusion; I should have mentioned the name of the series.

> Normally the NPS does a pretty good job at cruising the net and
> googling up letterbox clues, so I'm a bit surprised that I hadn't
> received a warning note on this one.

I suspect that they are short-handed and can't spare the time to go
after that stuff unless they are doing something else in the same
area. I do occasional volunteer trail maintenance for the SMM Trails
Council, which works with all of the agencies that own land up there,
and I know several NPS employees and volunteers; they all talk about
manpower shortages. It's hard enough to keep the bathrooms clean and
trash cans emptied; going after plastic containers behind rocks and
inside stumps isn't a high priority.

In any event, I'm actually more concerned about the second box of the
series being in a huge pile of poison oak. Unless the stuff is in
full leaf, too many people can't recognize it. Last year, with the
low rainfall, a lot of the stuff died off sooner than usual. I didn't
get the second box, as I recognized it right away, despite the lack of
foliage. Went back later, and the stuff was in leaf and covering the
box. Told the owner, and s/he ignored me. The clues have not
changed. IMHO, that's irresponsible, and this whole situation could
give our hobby a bad name. Things like this are why I would like to
have a "boxer review" option on LbNA and AQ. But I've been outvoted
too often for me to keep bringing it up. I only mention it as it is
appropriate in this circumstance.

Hope everyone has a nice, long weekend!

chaosmanor

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

If the Letterpod, the letterboxing podcast (http://letterpod.podbean.com), started selling episode compilation CD's, would you buy one? For example: Disc 1 (Episodes 1-5), Disc 2 (Episodes 6-9). Cost between $1-$3 per disc (includes shipping and handling).

o Yes, I would buy, because I haven't listened to these because I have dial-up.
o Yes, I have high-speed internet but would want anyway.
o No, I just download or listen to them online.
o No, I don't want to listen in any form.
o What's Letterpod?


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
letterbox-usa group:

How will high fuel prices affect your letterboxing activities this year?

o They will have no effect. I will continue letterboxing as usual.
o I will hunt letterboxes closer to home this year.
o I will hunt letterboxes less often this year.
o I will combine letterboxing with other activities so I don't have to travel as much
o I will letterbox as usual but use other forms of transportation to cut costs
o I am giving up letterboxing until fuel prices come down.


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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The letterboxing community is kind of disjointed. While quite a few people are active on several websites and blogs, a lot of people stick to one main site. So...How unified do you think the letterboxing community should be?

o I think the LB community should be very united with all the sites answering/coordinated by one main site.
o I don't think there should be any unity with as many sites as people want to make and little or no communication between them.
o I think there should be more communication between the sites that are already around.
o I like the way it is now.


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I think a better question is: "How unified do you think the
letterbox clues should be?". My own opinion is that it would be nice
if there was only 1 database repository for posted clues, but both AQ
and LBNA could access it with their own front-end features. That
way, everyone could use the method they prefer to look up clues and
still have access to all of them. Not sure if this is doable, though.

Silver Eagle

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
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>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> letterbox-usa group:
>
> The letterboxing community is kind of disjointed. While quite a
few people are active on several websites and blogs, a lot of people
stick to one main site. So...How unified do you think the
letterboxing community should be?
>
> o I think the LB community should be very united with all the
sites answering/coordinated by one main site.
> o I don't think there should be any unity with as many sites as
people want to make and little or no communication between them.
> o I think there should be more communication between the sites
that are already around.
> o I like the way it is now.
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
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I agree with this. It would be lovely to retain the interfaces that people
are attached to, but not have to look up or post clues on multiple sites.

Chrispy

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Silver Eagle wrote:

> I think a better question is: "How unified do you think the
> letterbox clues should be?". My own opinion is that it would be nice
> if there was only 1 database repository for posted clues, but both AQ
> and LBNA could access it with their own front-end features. That
> way, everyone could use the method they prefer to look up clues and
> still have access to all of them. Not sure if this is doable, though.
>
> Silver Eagle
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com ,
> letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> > letterbox-usa group:
> >
> > The letterboxing community is kind of disjointed. While quite a
> few people are active on several websites and blogs, a lot of people
> stick to one main site. So...How unified do you think the
> letterboxing community should be?
> >
> > o I think the LB community should be very united with all the
> sites answering/coordinated by one main site.
> > o I don't think there should be any unity with as many sites as
> people want to make and little or no communication between them.
> > o I think there should be more communication between the sites
> that are already around.
> > o I like the way it is now.
> >
> >
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It's a moot point. It is impossible to stop people from creating and disseminating clues however they choose. Variety is good.


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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The letterboxing community is kind of disjointed. While quite a few people are active on several websites and blogs, a lot of people stick to one main site. So...How unified do you think the letterboxing community should be?

o I think the LB community should be very united with all the sites answering/coordinated by one main site.
o I don't think there should be any unity with as many sites as people want to make and little or no communication between them.
o I think there should be more communication between the sites that are already around.
o I like the way it is now.

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I agree with you SE. Since the meat of this hobby is the clues, that's
what would need to be shared. However, since the community is divided
among the different sites, there are some people never interact with
each other online or off. Now that couldn't happen if there was only
one site but it's kind of a shame too...I hope I said that clearly.
While I'm not really for ONE official letterboxing site, but there are
some benefits to the idea.

A son of liberty

Is this a question of curiosity or actionable information?

Whatever the answer, it is my personal speculation that that
minority who view clues as a form of art, mega databases/
sites as a form of commodization, and art and commodization
as not the best of bedfellows, will always opt out, regardless
of the answer.

JMHO, as always,
Randy

PS, was that one of the choices :-)

Vive le differance!!

Otis' Friends wrote: It's a moot point. It is impossible to stop people from creating and disseminating clues however they choose. Variety is good.


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o I think the LB community should be very united with all the sites answering/coordinated by one main site.
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"...o I think the LB community should be very united with all the
sites answering/coordinated by one main site..."

The mere notion is folly.


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
>
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> letterbox-usa group:
>
> The letterboxing community is kind of disjointed. While quite a
few people are active on several websites and blogs, a lot of people
stick to one main site. So...How unified do you think the
letterboxing community should be?
>
> o I think the LB community should be very united with all the
sites answering/coordinated by one main site.
> o I don't think there should be any unity with as many sites as
people want to make and little or no communication between them.
> o I think there should be more communication between the sites
that are already around.
> o I like the way it is now.
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox-usa/surveys?id=2680458
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!
>

Whoa!

> ...How unified do you think the letterboxing community should be?

As someone who is more a geocacher than a letterboxer, it might
surprise people to find that, while I think that more unity would be
nice, I don't think I'd want to see too much more of it than already
exists. Heck, even geocaching, which a priori needs a bit more unity,
isn't quite the monolithic structure that many people think it is.
There are at least two competing sites for caches, and there are many
people who rail against the semi-autocratic nature of the "Rulers of
Groundspeak". Yet that site survives in part by acknowledging that
not everyone agrees with them, that that's OK, and that most people
will still want to play because Groundspeak offers the best package,
over-all.

Letterboxing doesn't really have the need for that much more unity.
Sure, it would be nice if people were better at geography: Malibu is
*not* in Ventura County, and there are no oceans to the north! It
would be nice if there was a moderator for clues who could fix things
like that. But there is really only one area that ticks me off about
LB, and that is the sometimes-cavalier attitude that a few (emphasis:
a few) boxers have about their hides. I do *not* like the attitude
of, "Once it's hidden, it's not my worry, anymore." There are boxers
who feel that way, and they are selfish. I have never liked that and
have railed against it in several LB fora. It's the one place where
geocaching has got it rock-solid perfect: you hide it, you keep it up,
you check up on it when two or three people can't find it, you replace
it when it goes missing, you pick up the pieces when geo-muggles wreck
it. If there was one area where LB needs a reality check, this is it.
And the fact is, most boxers *do* have the right attitude. I would
just like to see it codified a little better. Beyond that, why screw
around with something that's been going well for so long?

chaosmanor

Randy Hall wrote:
> Is this a question of curiosity or actionable information?
>
> Whatever the answer, it is my personal speculation that that
> minority who view clues as a form of art, mega databases/
> sites as a form of commodization, and art and commodization
> as not the best of bedfellows, will always opt out, regardless
> of the answer.
>
> JMHO, as always,
> Randy
>
>


I totally agree, whatever it is you just said ;-)

--
Nathan Brown

AKA Cyclonic
Penncoasters.com

The Insensitivity rolls on...

Friends don't let friends drink Starbucks!

McCarthy was RIGHT!

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "jim54invc"
wrote:
>>
> ...But there is really only one area that ticks me off about
> LB, and that is the sometimes-cavalier attitude that a few (emphasis:
> a few) boxers have about their hides. I do *not* like the attitude
> of, "Once it's hidden, it's not my worry, anymore." There are boxers
> who feel that way, and they are selfish. I have never liked that and
> have railed against it in several LB fora. It's the one place where
> geocaching has got it rock-solid perfect: you hide it, you keep it up,
> you check up on it when two or three people can't find it, you replace
> it when it goes missing, you pick up the pieces when geo-muggles wreck
> it. If there was one area where LB needs a reality check, this is it.
> And the fact is, most boxers *do* have the right attitude. I would
> just like to see it codified a little better. Beyond that, why screw
> around with something that's been going well for so long?
>
> chaosmanor
>

I totally agree chaosmanor. Well said.

Lone R

"Is this a question of curiosity or actionable information?"
Randy



I guess that's kinda up to people like you and Ryan isn't it?
Personally, I'm curious. I think it would be cool if you didn't have
to do a little extra work to get your clues listed on different sites
and it'd be GREAT if you didn't have to go site-hopping if you wanted
to talk with all the letterboxers. I love the variety but that's
my "complaint".

A son of liberty

The search for clues is another element of the game.

Mark

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "a_son_of_liberty"
"Is this a question of curiosity or actionable information?"
Randy

I guess that's kinda up to people like you and Ryan isn't it?
Personally, I'm curious. I think it would be cool if you didn't have
to do a little extra work to get your clues listed on different sites
and it'd be GREAT if you didn't have to go site-hopping if you wanted
to talk with all the letterboxers. I love the variety but that's
my "complaint".

A son of liberty




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I can see how that could be fun but for people like me who hardly have
time to find boxes with straightforward clues, it can be really
annoying.

A son of liberty

> I guess that's kinda up to people like you and Ryan isn't it?

It certainly is in no way up to me. Better that way, as I would
make a pretty bad dictator. It could have been at one point, I
suppose, but I happen to favor de-centralization. In fact, I'm
partially responsible for the way things turned out, so feel free
to flame :)

Cheers
Randy

Ooops! I guess it's kinda obvious I'm relatively new around here.
Forget I said/stepped in anything.

A son of liberty

Caveman and I, being busy folks ourselves, enjoy finding fewer boxes and
savoring the ENTIRE experience in locating each box.

But then I'm "slow" anyway. :-) I've spent a couple of years trying to
figure a couple of mapsurfer boxes, have gone out on adventures on a couple
of mapsurfer boxes that have turned into wild goose chases (one quite
literally but that's another Oprah plus it was Caveman's fault, not mine),
and I'm also a gourmet cook, so savoring entire experiences is kind of in my
blood. Finding fewer boxes is OK with me. And
Caveman........well..........he's the Andy Taylor type.......a zen type. A
zen type whose spinach & mushroom omelette is to die for. Savoring is in
his blood too.

To each his/her own, but the two of us would vote for more decentralization
rather than less.

~~ Mosey ~~



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From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of a_son_of_liberty
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:55 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] New poll for letterbox-usa


I can see how that could be fun but for people like me who hardly have
time to find boxes with straightforward clues, it can be really
annoying.

A son of liberty

I agree with many of you who believe less coordination is better. I am of the "art and
commodization don't mix" ilk. I think letterboxing is inherently secretive and subversive
and trying to control where the clues are and how boxers communicate is very unrealistic.


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "jim54invc" wrote:
>
> Whoa!
>
> > ...How unified do you think the letterboxing community should be?
>
> As someone who is more a geocacher than a letterboxer, it might
> surprise people to find that, while I think that more unity would be
> nice, I don't think I'd want to see too much more of it than already
> exists. Heck, even geocaching, which a priori needs a bit more unity,
> isn't quite the monolithic structure that many people think it is.
> There are at least two competing sites for caches, and there are many
> people who rail against the semi-autocratic nature of the "Rulers of
> Groundspeak". Yet that site survives in part by acknowledging that
> not everyone agrees with them, that that's OK, and that most people
> will still want to play because Groundspeak offers the best package,
> over-all.
>
> Letterboxing doesn't really have the need for that much more unity.
> Sure, it would be nice if people were better at geography: Malibu is
> *not* in Ventura County, and there are no oceans to the north! It
> would be nice if there was a moderator for clues who could fix things
> like that. But there is really only one area that ticks me off about
> LB, and that is the sometimes-cavalier attitude that a few (emphasis:
> a few) boxers have about their hides. I do *not* like the attitude
> of, "Once it's hidden, it's not my worry, anymore." There are boxers
> who feel that way, and they are selfish. I have never liked that and
> have railed against it in several LB fora. It's the one place where
> geocaching has got it rock-solid perfect: you hide it, you keep it up,
> you check up on it when two or three people can't find it, you replace
> it when it goes missing, you pick up the pieces when geo-muggles wreck
> it. If there was one area where LB needs a reality check, this is it.
> And the fact is, most boxers *do* have the right attitude. I would
> just like to see it codified a little better. Beyond that, why screw
> around with something that's been going well for so long?
>
> chaosmanor
>

"Better that way, as I would make a pretty bad dictator..."

Is there such a thing as a good dictator? :)

-John


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Randy Hall wrote:
>
>
> > I guess that's kinda up to people like you and Ryan isn't it?
>
> It certainly is in no way up to me. Better that way, as I would
> make a pretty bad dictator. It could have been at one point, I
> suppose, but I happen to favor de-centralization. In fact, I'm
> partially responsible for the way things turned out, so feel free
> to flame :)
>
> Cheers
> Randy
>

Indeed! And who would be the ones to decide who gets to do the
screwing?

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "jim54invc"
wrote:
Beyond that, why screw around with something that's been going well for
so long?
>
> chaosmanor
>

The person who gets to decide that is a popular guy - - - or gal.


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "alwayschaos"
wrote:
>
> Indeed! And who would be the ones to decide who gets to do the
> screwing?
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "jim54invc"
> wrote:
> Beyond that, why screw around with something that's been going well
for
> so long?
> >
> > chaosmanor
> >
>

Well, considering that things have already been screwed around with,
I guess the answer to the question "who gets to do the screwing?"
is "anyone that created another Letterbox Website after LBNA", since
it was first and doing quite well for a long time. It's a moot point
anyway since multiple communities are here to stay no matter what
some desire.

Silver Eagle


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "alwayschaos"
wrote:
>
> Indeed! And who would be the ones to decide who gets to do the
> screwing?
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "jim54invc"
> wrote:
> Beyond that, why screw around with something that's been going well
for
> so long?
> >
> > chaosmanor
> >
>

Hmmm, the *search* for clues has always been [a welcome] part of the game for me, although I do realize there are folks who don't share that feeling. But since clues for many, many letterboxes are quickly and easily available at LbNA at AQ, it seems there should be plenty for those with less time and inclination to locate without undue searching. Then there are those clues and boxes that are not spoon-fed on a platter... for letterboxers so inclined to track down the true treasures and experience/enjoy another dimension of the game. Perhaps the appearance of disjointedness is in actuality diversity, which affords something for everyone.

SpringChick


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To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] New poll for letterbox-usa


I can see how that could be fun but for people like me who hardly have
time to find boxes with straightforward clues, it can be really
annoying.

A son of liberty





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When I rule the world, megalomania will be outlawed.

John wrote: "Better that way, as I would make a pretty bad dictator..."

Is there such a thing as a good dictator? :)

-John

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Randy Hall wrote:
>
>
> > I guess that's kinda up to people like you and Ryan isn't it?
>
> It certainly is in no way up to me. Better that way, as I would
> make a pretty bad dictator. It could have been at one point, I
> suppose, but I happen to favor de-centralization. In fact, I'm
> partially responsible for the way things turned out, so feel free
> to flame :)
>
> Cheers
> Randy
>






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You're going to outlaw MegaStores? I need to stock up on those 15lb
pags of Doritos! :)

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Hikers & Hounds
wrote:
>
> When I rule the world, megalomania will be outlawed.
>
> John wrote: "Better that way, as
I would make a pretty bad dictator..."
>
> Is there such a thing as a good dictator? :)
>
> -John
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Randy Hall wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I guess that's kinda up to people like you and Ryan isn't it?
> >
> > It certainly is in no way up to me. Better that way, as I would
> > make a pretty bad dictator. It could have been at one point, I
> > suppose, but I happen to favor de-centralization. In fact, I'm
> > partially responsible for the way things turned out, so feel free
> > to flame :)
> >
> > Cheers
> > Randy
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

Did someone say my name?

-Screw

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Silver Eagle" wrote:
>
> Well, considering that things have already been screwed around with,
> I guess the answer to the question "who gets to do the screwing?"
> is "anyone that created another Letterbox Website after LBNA", since
> it was first and doing quite well for a long time. It's a moot point
> anyway since multiple communities are here to stay no matter what
> some desire.
>
> Silver Eagle
>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "alwayschaos"
> wrote:
> >
> > Indeed! And who would be the ones to decide who gets to do the
> > screwing?
> >
> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "jim54invc"
> > wrote:
> > Beyond that, why screw around with something that's been going well
> for
> > so long?
> > >
> > > chaosmanor
> > >
> >
>

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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How old are you? Don't freak out I'm just asking for a ballpark idea here and nobody's name will be revealed.

o 10 and under
o 11-20
o 21-30
o 31-40
o 41-50
o 51-60
o 60 and above


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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In a recent poll, 29% of repondents said high fuel prices would have no effect on their letterboxing activities, 40% said they would combine letterboxing with other activities to limit travel, 19% said they would letterbox closer to home, 8% said they would letterbox less often, and 1% would use other forms of transportation.
Since fuel prices seem to be affecting the majority, how would you prefer that those who plant letterboxes plant future ones to help you out?

o Change nothing - the way letterboxes are planted is fine with me.
o Plant more in urban areas and less in rural areas
o Plant letterboxes in series within walking distance of each other to save driving
o Plant letterboxes in areas where other recreation takes place so I can combine activities and save gas.
o Plant letterboxes near or along bicycle routes.
o Other - explain


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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Regarding on topic/off topic posting

o Members should feel free to talk about any topic they choose
o Members should feel free to talk about any topic they choose, so long as it ain't geocaching
o Any letterboxing, geocaching, similiar activity is fine, but don't color outside these lines
o Please keep it strictly to letterboxing
o Please keep it strictly to whether or not AQ is up and can be logged into or not
o I hate geocaching and no one should ever be allowed to discuss it here, or, if I had my way, anywhere
o The more flame wars, the better
o Dude, its gone now, moved on now, put this pig out of its misery


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